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hi guys

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welcome to the latest episode

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here on disclosure team's youtube

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channel just

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checking my settings as i always do i

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just want to make sure that everything's

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okay we're live

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guys thank you so much for being here it

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really means a lot i enjoy doing these

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chats discussions

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interviews you know whatever you want to

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call them um

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i'm excited for this one this guy i've

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been following for quite

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some time i think he's awesome and um

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i'm not gonna wait any longer guys this

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is why we're here let's introduce mr

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ryan sprague

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ryan what's up my man how are you i'm

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doing great man thank you so much for

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being here it means the world thank you

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my

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of yours as well and uh hey

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anyone who can broadcast live from a uh

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a carrier

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is uh good in my book so yeah

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hey i change it up every time i i

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struggle i like to mix it up you know i

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thought

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yeah you've got this show coming out

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later today with the guys from the

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nimitz

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so i thought you know let's go a bit

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carrier-based and stuff

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it's very appropriate yeah so wrapping

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the tee you know

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we talked a little offline that's the

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first time i've seen the t-shirt like on

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an actual flesh and blood human being so

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i appreciate the support and um yeah

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that t-shirt

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um by ben scarsborough that design just

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knocked

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my socks off when i first started

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absolutely there was a lot of good

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entries in that competition you ran

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though i mean it must have been really

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difficult

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choosing like a first place dude i mean

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well here's the thing like i my my

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merch company came to me and was like

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you should do a fan art contest

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like drum up some buzz and see and i was

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like nobody's gonna

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draw fan art for for my show cause i

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again like i just i i do my thing every

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week and that's kind of it

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and i was like oh man people are gonna

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think i'm some like douchebag being like

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draw fan art for me

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and i was maybe i thought one or two

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and then i got about 80 entries dude

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and i it was very hard so that's why i

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was like i'm letting the public decide

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like i can't do this

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hey i don't blame you because i think

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before you'd announce the winner i think

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in the weeks leading up you put out a

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lot of the designs for people to comment

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on and probably vote for and i was just

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man this is tough but i saw this design

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i was like oh man i really wish there

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was a t-shirt with that one so when i

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i've got to get that man so uh yeah

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but listen ryan like we've chatted

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briefly in the past

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with max and stuff but i want to know a

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little bit more about you

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and your background because you're not

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just into the whole ufo thing you're a

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playwright

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a screenwriter is can you just give us a

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little bit of info about that because i

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find it super intriguing

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lot of people it's

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strictly ufos so um i love any

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show people that me you and other people

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into this topic like

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we have other lives this is exactly

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passion and curiosity of ours but um

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yeah i uh

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well first i guess i'll go back to um

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when i was younger i was a baseball

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player here in the states

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wow i i played you know ever i played

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old and um

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i played in high school i played a

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little bit in college and i thought i

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a pro baseball player major league

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wild thing vaughn from the

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the major league movies and um it didn't

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pan out that way i i played a little bit

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other extracurricular things in in

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college

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and um i was like let me do this theater

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thing i'm going to build some sets

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that'll be pretty fun

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like learn some carpentry skills and um

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i went in and did like a a minor

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uh in in stage carpentry stagecraft we

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and uh it was so much fun man i learned

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so much of how to uh

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how to build sets and um what what's the

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is the mantra in stagecraft yeah

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and uh then i was like you know what let

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me try out for a play

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and i did and i actually got cast and i

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caught the acting bug

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and it's kind of been a whirlwind ever

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since i spent my last uh

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excuse me my first two years out of

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college uh

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acting on the road i did national tours

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of educational theater

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um you know doing plays like sierra no

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de bergerac or uh wow you know the

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famous novel the outsiders and going to

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underprivileged you know schools and and

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um and a lot of people on the west end

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too but there's a lot of places here in

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the united states that have never

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literally kids have never seen live

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theater so we were like broadway to them

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cool and amazing to like travel the

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country it was a very rewarding

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experience and

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ever since i moved to new york city uh i

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am a playwright i write plays when i'm

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not doing the whole ufo thing and

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i've had a lot of luck in that too so

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i'm kind of a playwright by day you

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follow just by night vinny

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jekyll and hyde is there stuff coming up

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then are you actually working towards

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something at the moment

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yeah absolutely i'm always always

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writing um i have been developing

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nice mixing my worlds together man i

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knew it was gonna happen

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sooner or later because i did i tried to

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keep them separate for a really long

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and then i i met my mentor peter robbins

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the ufo researcher who also lives in new

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york and um

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is also a big theater person so we meet

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here in new york city all the time go to

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diners and uh

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chat theater and ufos and um yeah it's

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been a crazy journey ever since

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that's so cool man so where was the

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you may have been studying ufos but then

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go into tv shows and stuff did the

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podcast come first or was it something

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so i would say you know when i got into

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everything else in life

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like um you know deep deep into it

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interviewing people um having all the

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conversations on the chat forums and

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and all that stuff uh i even wrote for

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some magazines while i was in college

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um with open minds magazine sure so yeah

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yeah yeah and that was great because i

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still got to do it

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um you know on the side but then there

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i i saw that the field was lacking

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um anything new new approaches

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everyone was talking about the same damn

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and uh everyone was just no answers they

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welcome to ufology right but um oh god

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i i i was like what can i do like how

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can i contribute something new to this

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whole ufo thing

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and that's when i reached out to uh

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richard dolan who actually published

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my first book and um when i went to him

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i was so naive man i'm like i want to

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write a book

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he's like great what about and i was

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like i don't know

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and he said well you should probably

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think about that before you

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whatnot

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reflected i'm like well what what could

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different and so i started implementing

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my playwriting skills into my ufo

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you know in plays we focus on characters

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what what what motivates them um why are

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we being dropped into a character's life

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all of a sudden um like what's the point

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and for me and what i learned in

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playwriting is

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that moment is usually pivotal in that

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person's life that's why we're watching

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a play play out

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and uh they ultimately are changed by

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whatever's going on

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pivotal moment and people's lives have

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changed for them

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drastically after so i was like there we

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i want to focus on the people i want to

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see how these events

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change them and impact them and what

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they think it was not what some

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you know ufo researcher thinks happened

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to them what do you think happened

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how did it change your belief system and

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ultimately what does that say

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about us as humans and possibly the

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phenomena

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so yeah that was kind of my weird um

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convoluted way of answering your

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question hey i love it honestly that

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makes so

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much sense and yeah i couldn't have

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asked for a better answer said thank you

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yeah so and where did the tv kind of

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stuff come in then i mean

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this is why we're here man to just spit

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ball and yeah

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go off on tangents don't apologize

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um so my first book came out in 2016

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and um you know this is pre-new york

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times article and everything

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yeah and uh while i was doing the

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was like i have hundreds of stories

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that people brought to me that i

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couldn't put in the book there just

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wasn't

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enough time and space and and everything

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in between but

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i wanted all those voices to be heard so

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i'm like

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i listened to um you know richard dolan

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alejandro rojas uh

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jim harold from the paranormal podcast

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one of the pioneering

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podcasters out there in these you know

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uh niche communities that were

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worldwide and uh he was a huge

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inspiration him and um

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uh shannon legrow who oh yeah into the

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freight radio

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right yeah yeah so i had the immense

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pleasure of doing like

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the first 50 episodes or so coming on

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every now and again

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to shannon's show with uh our mutual

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colleague sam sheeran

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and uh i loved it i loved the whole

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podcasting thing i'm like i

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i want to try to do this and i didn't

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know it was going to work

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um i didn't know if anyone would give a

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crap what i thought or one

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would want to listen and uh dolan was my

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first guest so thank god yeah

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he really helped me out and um and

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it just kind of took off i'm almost 230

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episodes in now

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and uh that ultimately led to

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um tv networks finding me by

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you know they literally i i guarantee

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you man they go online and they're like

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ufos podcasts and see what pops up or

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ufos

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uh researchers and um you know once you

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start getting in those search engines

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with the podcasts and stuff like what

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you're doing they start to take notice

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and uh i guarantee you you're gonna get

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reached out to probably sooner or later

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with the way ufos are now man i don't

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know i can't see myself on tv

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but oh no you're made for it you're made

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for it especially with that t-shirt

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um yeah definitely man that's what

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happened i was living in la

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i was at a conference speaking and some

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you know

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one of those slick hollywood type guys

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came up to me he's like

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hey i'm a big fan of your work um i i'm

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really into the ufo thing

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i'm thinking of doing a tv show and at

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this point man like i heard i've heard

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every pitch

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i've been a hundred shows have reached

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out and be like

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we're doing it we're gonna go and solve

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the ufo mystery

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and i've always just like yeah sure yeah

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i'll believe it when i see it and lo and

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behold like two weeks after i talked to

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this guy

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um he called me he was like hey i sold

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the show you're gonna be on it

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and i was just like wow it actually

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happened

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and um then he told me it's gonna be

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about roswell and i was just like oh god

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damn it

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oh so that was the first mysteries

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decoded correct yeah so

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um at first i was like roswell really

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like

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what le what is there left that could be

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said about ross yeah yeah

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and um he said no no no we're gonna do a

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new approach we're gonna we have new

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evidence that we um

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our researchers have looked into and um

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he's like

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we're it's gonna be on the cw which is a

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very young demographic here in the

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united states yeah and

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um and he's like these people have never

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heard of roswell

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that's that's such a good point so we

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basically

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we did a one-hour special um it was not

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supposed to be anything more than that

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and uh it was so much fun man we we went

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out to roswell we went to the crash site

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we talked to people we had medals tested

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and um

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we had uh documents and photos analyzed

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and

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the ratings were so good that the cw

387
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bought a whole

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series and uh my investigative partner

389
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jennifer marshall she's a former navy

390
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vet

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she became the the main host and

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now we're almost uh three seasons in now

393
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i i guess i could kind of say where

394
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we have a third season coming out soon

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this summer um

396
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i might get in trouble for saying that

397
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so you might have to cut that out of the

398
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archive

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oh yeah let me know i'm a fan of hers as

400
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well i follow her

401
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on on social media and stuff she she's

402
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awesome she's and she's an actor as well

403
00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:38,000
isn't she yeah so she um her big claim

404
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to fame was she was on stranger things

405
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so of course

406
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kind of staying in that realm of the

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unknown and uh

408
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she actually did an episode about uh

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montauk

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which if any of your viewers and

411
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listeners don't know is like a

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super secret place here and uh near me

413
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actually in new york city i'm gonna say

414
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have you been out to montauk to the

415
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where the radar tower is and all that

416
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i've been out there a couple times out

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to montauk where the the radar

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thing is and you know for anyone who

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doesn't know this is a place where

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supposedly

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a bunch of weird mk ultra stuff happened

422
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time travel experiments um

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and really dark stuff man like

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apparently these like

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scientists that worked with the

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government kind of went rogue and um

427
00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:23,519
took over this old installation on long

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island

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and they were kidnapping like runaway

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kids

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and bringing them there and doing these

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weird experiments

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on them and trying to basically create

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super soldiers

435
00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:37,279
so uh jennifer wanted to really look

436
00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:38,800
into this having been

437
00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:40,880
on stranger things which was literally

438
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:42,160
inspired by

439
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:45,279
the montauk experiments um she wanted to

440
00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:46,160
be like hey

441
00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:48,240
i did the the fictional version i want

442
00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:50,320
to see if there's any truth to this so

443
00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:52,399
um that is a great episode if anyone

444
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:54,160
hasn't seen mysteries decoded

445
00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:56,079
that's what i'd say to start with uh

446
00:14:59,350 --> 00:14:57,519
other than mine of course

447
00:15:01,750 --> 00:14:59,360
i'd say start from season one and go

448
00:15:03,189 --> 00:15:01,760
right the way through to be honest

449
00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:03,199
but just jumping back to that one-hour

450
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,800
special at roswell when you first

451
00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:06,560
actually went out there

452
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:08,800
how did it feel knowing that you were in

453
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:10,959
the supposed crash site from such a

454
00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:12,959
famous thing to do with ufos

455
00:15:16,470 --> 00:15:15,760
oh it was like uh i would say if you

456
00:15:19,269 --> 00:15:16,480
were a

457
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:19,279
very religious person like standing on

458
00:15:22,870 --> 00:15:20,240
holy ground

459
00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:22,880
holy land where this uh you know i don't

460
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:25,120
want to use the word myth but where this

461
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:28,240
legend had had actually occurred

462
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:31,199
and yeah of course for anyone into this

463
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:34,000
topic roswell is like the holy grail so

464
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:36,880
um i was i will say this i was skeptical

465
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,320
at first when they said

466
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:40,639
it's the actual crash site because who

467
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:42,079
really knows that yeah

468
00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:44,240
there's there's like 50 different

469
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:45,920
claimed crash sites

470
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:48,240
and um a lot of people when they go out

471
00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:48,959
there

472
00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:51,519
you go to this plaque in the in the

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ground

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00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:54,959
and it literally says like this is where

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00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:57,279
something crashed in 1947.

476
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:00,560
um the sci-fi channel uh was the first

477
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:02,560
to find it and we did a special blah

478
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:03,279
blah blah

479
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:05,600
and what people don't know is that's

480
00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:08,000
like 80 miles from the actual

481
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:09,920
crash site so a lot of people go to that

482
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:11,440
plaque and they're like i did it

483
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:14,480
i made it to the crash site um but

484
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:16,000
the gentleman we worked with frank

485
00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:18,560
kimbler uh he has been

486
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,800
investigating roswell for over a decade

487
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:22,079
now he has done

488
00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:26,480
the most like insane triangulation

489
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:28,959
of finding what he believes is the

490
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:30,320
actual crash site

491
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:33,600
which he actually corroborated with um

492
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:36,160
don schmidt one of the most famous ufo

493
00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:37,680
researchers on roswell

494
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:40,079
yeah and he said that's it you found it

495
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:41,839
and uh we went out there

496
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:44,959
and i i i don't i can't even really

497
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:46,560
describe that feeling of like

498
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,639
stepping on the sand out there in the

499
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desert um

500
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:53,199
not sand more like dirt and just looking

501
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:53,759
over

502
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:57,040
these arroyos and being like holy [\h__\h]

503
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:57,839
man

504
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:00,959
like something crashed and i'm standing

505
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:02,480
where it possibly could have been

506
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,079
and this guy frank found metals you know

507
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:08,880
a few feet under the ground there and

508
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:09,679
buttons

509
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,559
so dude the military was out there yeah

510
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,480
there was something that crashed where

511
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,400
he said the crash site was

512
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and it wasn't still on like the it was

513
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:24,319
the brazil ranch wasn't it originally

514
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,880
which is

515
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actually nearer to corona than it was to

516
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roswell itself

517
00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:30,320
correct well yeah still on the location

518
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:32,160
of the ranch land in that for that

519
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:35,440
that property yes however by the time we

520
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:36,400
got out there

521
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:38,559
the land had actually been bought by the

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00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:39,760
government um

523
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:43,440
go figure so that's a really weird story

524
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:45,280
that doesn't get talked about often with

525
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:46,240
this when um

526
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:49,520
give it to us sure sure when uh when we

527
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:51,200
decided to work with frank on this

528
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:52,799
episode because we had heard that he

529
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,080
found these medals

530
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,120
and um and these buttons and uh that

531
00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,679
he'd had some of them tested prior but

532
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,679
we wanted to use a whole new lab and we

533
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:02,960
wanted to um

534
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:06,720
and do it our way so basically

535
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:09,280
i would say a month before we decided to

536
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,720
film with frank

537
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,960
his medals were confiscated by the

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00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:15,200
bureau of land management

539
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:18,240
so he starts freaking out he's like oh

540
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:19,120
my god

541
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,600
my my medals that could be possibly from

542
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:23,840
an extraterrestrial craft or some

543
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:26,160
sort of highly advanced aircraft are

544
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:28,160
being compensated by the government that

545
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:29,600
ultimately were part of the cover-up

546
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:30,720
originally

547
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:33,679
um so it was crazy man he had to like go

548
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:34,080
in

549
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:37,520
and and um negotiate with them and this

550
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:38,720
and that and they're like we could

551
00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:40,160
actually arrest you dude

552
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:41,679
because like you were digging on

553
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:43,760
government land and you can't do that

554
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:45,280
you can't be doing it of course no

555
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:46,400
permit or anything

556
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:49,039
totally so he understood he's like okay

557
00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:50,720
like i won't be doing i won't do any

558
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,520
more digging

559
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:54,240
um but for years before that he'd been

560
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:56,160
going out there with his son and they

561
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:56,960
would spend

562
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:00,080
10 hours a day digging um and

563
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:02,720
using you know his work as a geologist

564
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:03,760
to figure out

565
00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:07,039
okay the impact site was here after

566
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,919
10 years the water runoff would

567
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,240
eventually make its way down this arroyo

568
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:15,120
so let's go look over here and he did

569
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:16,400
and he found stuff

570
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:19,280
and we eventually had it tested and the

571
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:20,880
results were um

572
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:24,000
extremely interesting uh extremely

573
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:25,760
interesting and we're still coming out

574
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:28,640
with results and um

575
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,799
yeah man it's pretty crazy um all i

576
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:32,720
could say is the episode doesn't do it

577
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,360
justice

578
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:36,480
of uh what we analyzed and uh what the

579
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,160
the uh the lab had analyzed uh

580
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:43,039
it was far weirder than we expected and

581
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:43,440
um

582
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:45,120
again we're getting we're still getting

583
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,039
them tested because you can't just have

584
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,120
one test and that's it boom you found

585
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,960
alien wreckage like that's not how these

586
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:52,400
things work and it's

587
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,480
a lot of money so um god bless the cw

588
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:58,160
for helping us out with that they could

589
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,760
ultimately crack this uh

590
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,400
this mystery we'll see we'll see oh man

591
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:04,400
i'm so excited just listening to you

592
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,520
explain and

593
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,360
picturing what it would feel like to be

594
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,200
on that site and that and i know like

595
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,280
you said it's like walking on holy land

596
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:14,000
for a religious person and well and

597
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:15,520
here's one more thing vinnie

598
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:18,640
sure even my my partner uh jennifer she

599
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:21,120
is the most skeptical person out there

600
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:23,760
um you know and and she went into this

601
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,480
being like

602
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,960
it was a weather balloon like totally or

603
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,080
it was you know

604
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:30,000
yeah some sort of high altitude test

605
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,120
they were doing right

606
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:33,600
and um and she also didn't believe that

607
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,400
what he found

608
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,320
she thought it was like metal from like

609
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,159
a a soda can

610
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:40,720
like just something trash left out there

611
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,360
but dude

612
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,480
like i said nothing within a hundred

613
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,080
miles of this crash site

614
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,440
the no no reason and no

615
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,919
no business of anyone to be out there it

616
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:53,360
was so barren

617
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,640
no birds no insects um you know the

618
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:58,799
worst you had to worry about were snakes

619
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,240
and uh like nobody's out there partying

620
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,559
like you know having a ufo party or

621
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,000
anything like that

622
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,640
so especially not if it's miles away

623
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,320
from the plaque where everyone will be

624
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:12,000
celebrating going yeah bro we're at the

625
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,360
site exactly

626
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,679
so she came out of that man being like

627
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,880
whoa and uh

628
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,960
there were a few other things that we we

629
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,799
came out of there being like

630
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,799
there was a cover-up that there's no

631
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,640
argument there was a cover-up of

632
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,240
something what that was

633
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,799
i don't know if we'll ever know but um

634
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,600
that was it

635
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,000
like she was supposed to be the scully i

636
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,600
was supposed to be the moulder

637
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,120
and by the time we came out of that

638
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,960
investigation man like

639
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,760
we were like scolder it was like a

640
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,880
hybrid

641
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,799
and she was leaning more towards boulder

642
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:44,240
as you can

643
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,520
see right here oh nice

644
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,240
fan boy plaque so it was an adventure

645
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,320
and uh it's only just begun

646
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:55,520
excellent man um what i wanted to ask as

647
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,320
well is

648
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,080
i'm sure you've done other stuff not

649
00:22:00,789 --> 00:22:00,240
exactly ufos but more other paranormal

650
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,799
kind of

651
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,880
things haven't you did you want to can

652
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:04,159
you just

653
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:05,360
explain a little bit about that because

654
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,559
i've looked into things like that in the

655
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:08,159
past and i think that it is a natural

656
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,520
progression or

657
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,679
you know people that are into ufos or

658
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,559
for me

659
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:15,840
i've found that this is my focus but in

660
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:19,039
the past i've done everything bigfoot um

661
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,480
atlantis cryptozoology things like that

662
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:24,400
so yeah just give us a little rundown of

663
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:27,760
what you've done yeah sure um

664
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,280
so i uh yeah i mean yeah primarily i do

665
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:33,440
ufos but i've definitely like gone on

666
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,240
ghost hunts

667
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,799
because i got i got really suckered into

668
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:38,640
that back during like

669
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,679
what was it like the early 2000s when um

670
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,320
like paranormal state and all those when

671
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:45,760
i heard that this dude

672
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:48,799
started a paranormal investigation club

673
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,600
on his campus and like they were

674
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,919
basically funding him to go out and like

675
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,840
ghost hunt i was like that is so cool

676
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,840
like i want to do that i want to be the

677
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:58,960
one to do that

678
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,679
um i started getting really into it i

679
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,600
caught the the paranormal bug so i

680
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,520
started going on like ghost hunts

681
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:08,240
with different people and um even when i

682
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,120
would speak at

683
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,880
events i'd get invited to like

684
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,440
paranormal investigations in that town

685
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,960
that i was speaking at even though i was

686
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,039
doing ufos they're like hey like

687
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,200
if you're not doing anything tonight uh

688
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,080
come to this ghost time and um

689
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,400
there's one specific ghost hunt i went

690
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,520
to and i'm very

691
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,919
mind you i'm very skeptical of the whole

692
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,799
ghost thing

693
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,559
um not because i don't believe it can

694
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,240
happen i'm terrified

695
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,480
of it to be honest are you not scared

696
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,080
because i just couldn't do these like

697
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,840
nights in the house and

698
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,840
yeah it's i could barely make it to

699
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,960
horror movies man

700
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,120
but like i think i'm a lot like mick

701
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,440
west actually like he started

702
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,159
terrified of these things yeah so he

703
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,240
made it his life goal to try to

704
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,120
prove otherwise to um kind of put his

705
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:55,120
world view back into where he wanted it

706
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:55,840
to be

707
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,159
um so he's not as skeptical as a lot of

708
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,600
people think he's had some weird

709
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,279
experiences um

710
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,279
conversation for another time but i was

711
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,400
in uh

712
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,760
i was in nova scotia canada and um

713
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:10,159
i went to this ghost hunt at the queens

714
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,440
county museum

715
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:14,080
in liverpool nova scotia really cool

716
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,720
museum

717
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,960
it tells the whole history of how the

718
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,159
town came to be

719
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,200
uh the the native um

720
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,720
i don't want to say americans but the

721
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,559
natives who lived uh

722
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,960
in canada at the time the uh meek mock

723
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:27,679
tribe

724
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:31,279
and uh a very amazing respectable

725
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,400
exhibition on on them as well and we did

726
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,840
a ghost hunt because supposedly this

727
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:37,760
museum was super haunted

728
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,120
and um i went in everyone had like their

729
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,960
you know emf readers

730
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,799
and all these things you see on the

731
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,720
ghost hunt shows and i was with a buddy

732
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:48,880
of mine micah hanks at the time

733
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,760
and uh greg bishop who are both also

734
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,679
super skeptical of this stuff

735
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,159
and uh we were kind of just going around

736
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,640
we'd had a few beers and we're like

737
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,600
yeah yeah [\h__\h] this is cool and kind of

738
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,840
just observing like seeing like what a

739
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,760
paranormal investigator does because

740
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:07,679
right i've never really done it before

741
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,240
that

742
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:11,520
and um kind of looking at it as just a

743
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,240
cool

744
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,799
fun thing to do and there was one point

745
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:16,240
then where we went to the uh

746
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,679
it's called the activity room in this

747
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,360
museum it's like where you kind of drop

748
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:20,880
your kids off and they can play while

749
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:21,360
the

750
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:30,720
reports of a ghost in that room so we

751
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,440
went in there

752
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:34,000
and we uh with the the paranormal i

753
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:35,360
guess tour guide

754
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:38,799
uh she was great um her name was uh

755
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,159
lisa and she she brought us into the

756
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,600
room all the lights were

757
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,400
off and she had the the ghost box thing

758
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,400
you know this thing that like

759
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,200
it goes through radio frequencies like

760
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,120
one radio frequency every half

761
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,679
second it's it's it's pretty jolting

762
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,960
when you first hear it because it's just

763
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,750
and you're going through the frequencies

764
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,039
so fast that

765
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,520
um you know logically you shouldn't be

766
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,200
hearing anything

767
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:10,000
right solid you know because it's just

768
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:11,360
going through all of them it's brushing

769
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,240
through them

770
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:15,039
and um she put it on and she starts

771
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,480
asking these questions

772
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,080
and then all of a sudden we started

773
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,520
hearing like

774
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:21,600
whimpering like almost like a crying

775
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,159
sound and it sounded like a kid crying

776
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,840
and i was just like

777
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,080
wait a minute so i took the ghost box

778
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,919
from her and i'm like

779
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,679
pretending like i know how this thing

780
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:33,679
works but i'm like hmm

781
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,880
wait hold on and lo and behold yeah man

782
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:38,000
it was brushing through

783
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,679
these things so you should not have

784
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,200
heard a constant like

785
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,760
anything yeah let alone a whimpering of

786
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,960
a child and she's like

787
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:47,279
that's the kid that's the spirit she's

788
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,559
scared like we

789
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,080
we we gotta get down to our level

790
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,320
because it was all adults there um

791
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,159
and we're all standing up and we're just

792
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,919
kind of in her space

793
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:58,000
if you believe this was a spirit of a of

794
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,279
a young child which

795
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,120
lisa believed it was she's like let's

796
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,360
get to her level so we all get down

797
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,360
and we're sitting cross-legged on the

798
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,559
ground and um

799
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:09,200
asking more questions and she starts

800
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,400
asking things like

801
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,679
um are you scared and we heard yes

802
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,640
and then he said um what what do you

803
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,320
want us to do do you want us to stay

804
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:19,520
here with you

805
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:22,399
um do you want us to be quiet yes and

806
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,039
we're like

807
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,159
okay so then i'm not kidding you man we

808
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,080
we sat there for like

809
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:30,159
god maybe half an hour not saying

810
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,080
anything just kind of like

811
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,880
feeling the room feeling the energy and

812
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,640
i was in a back corner

813
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:39,120
and i'm like there's so many other

814
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:40,559
things i could be doing right now but

815
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:41,279
this is

816
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,960
yeah and um

817
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:47,279
all i remember is i'm sitting in the

818
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,240
corner

819
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,279
and i feel a cold like

820
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:54,559
wind on my back and i i turn around i'm

821
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,440
like

822
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:58,000
okay there's no heating vent there's uh

823
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:58,720
no

824
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,480
this room like what

825
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,039
what was that um trying to come up with

826
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,720
any explanation i'm like okay

827
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,960
it could be anything literally anything

828
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:10,080
and um

829
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,990
i i never know how to truly describe

830
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,520
this but that's when i'm sitting

831
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,120
cross-legged mind you

832
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,320
and i just my legs hit the ground

833
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,440
um and i felt a weight like

834
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,640
in my lap like i wasn't tired

835
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,399
like again like i was a baseball player

836
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:31,840
i was used to crouching

837
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,200
yeah and i felt my legs just hit the

838
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,360
hit the floor and i could i'm not

839
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,039
kidding you i could feel

840
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,080
somebody like sitting in my lap

841
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,880
and hugging my arms are going my

842
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,640
goosebumps are going man

843
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,360
fingers class behind my neck hugging me

844
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,279
dude it was

845
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,360
it would i i to this day i don't know

846
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,880
how to explain it but

847
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,880
of course it scared the [\h__\h] out of me

848
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,080
and i like i

849
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,480
i flew back i actually hit my head on

850
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,399
like a wood board behind me

851
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,480
and um that's when i felt the weight get

852
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,240
up and like leave the room

853
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:09,120
and okay this all could have been

854
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,600
anything

855
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,120
i could have been influenced by what was

856
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,960
going on in the room i could have been

857
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:15,440
making [\h__\h] up in my mind to yeah maybe

858
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,080
maybe

859
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:19,440
but my buddy greg bishop

860
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:22,640
again super skeptical dude he was in the

861
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,200
doorway

862
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,200
of this room at the time like just kind

863
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:26,720
of leaning against it

864
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:30,559
and then as soon as i felt the weight

865
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:31,200
lift up

866
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:34,640
and like brush past me he in the doorway

867
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,240
he like impulsively just went and like

868
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:40,320
got to the side of the the frame of the

869
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:41,279
door

870
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,559
and was like whoa and i immediately like

871
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,919
got up i'm like why did you do that why

872
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,960
did you do that

873
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,240
not telling him what i had just

874
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,799
experienced or he wasn't in the room

875
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:52,320
when we were communicating with the

876
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,799
ghost

877
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:55,360
or whatever it was uh he said i felt

878
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:56,399
like something

879
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,840
ran past me and needed it i was just

880
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,640
like that's it

881
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,960
like i'm done and i had a moment dude

882
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,240
where i i

883
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,880
i started kind of hyperventilating um

884
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,440
and had kind of a mini panic attack

885
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,760
and i i kind of excused myself and i

886
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,679
went outside of the museum

887
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,600
and i didn't know what to do i was like

888
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,399
i i'm like a grown man

889
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,279
uh who has never had a ghost experience

890
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,600
really and i think i just kind of did

891
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:26,320
and um i was terrified to go back into

892
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:27,039
the

893
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,799
waited like

894
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,640
25 minutes before micah was like where'd

895
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:34,880
you go man what's going on

896
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,919
and um i kind of left nova scotia that

897
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,440
night being like

898
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:42,080
there's more to all this than just ufos

899
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:42,640
and

900
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:46,799
cover-ups like

901
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,480
this entire whatever you want to call it

902
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:53,120
uh kind of string theory of the

903
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,320
paranormal

904
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,200
cryptids ufos there's more to it and i

905
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,120
think i just opened another door

906
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,240
uh unknowingly and unwittingly so that's

907
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:04,000
incredible man you lasted a hell of a

908
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:05,519
lot longer than i would have done

909
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,640
i mean fair play thank you so much for

910
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,039
explaining all that i really felt that

911
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:13,200
i because i'd be terrible i'd be awful

912
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,080
man yeah

913
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,240
i still feel it to this day like yeah

914
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,080
there's times where i'm like

915
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:20,000
maybe it was this maybe it was that but

916
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:21,360
uh it really did

917
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,720
i i gained a huge new respect for those

918
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:25,919
who uh

919
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,640
who tend to do that and who do do it and

920
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,840
who make it like

921
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,679
a part of their lives no matter what it

922
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,120
is like

923
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,600
good for you no i agree it's very easy

924
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,120
to judge from the outside

925
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,679
but until you experience these things no

926
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,840
matter what subject it is

927
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,159
and who am i man to like be like no

928
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:46,080
ghosts don't exist but yeah totally

929
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,640
those things

930
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:49,279
are sky interdimensional beings time

931
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,080
travelers

932
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,960
aliens like totally so that's kind of

933
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:53,919
where i'm at now

934
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,360
i'm like i try to temper my uh the way i

935
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:58,880
approach these things because

936
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:02,000
i have no clue what ufos really are or

937
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,039
represent

938
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,360
and neither does anyone else so like

939
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,279
just be open to it be open yeah and

940
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,480
that's the thing i've seen a lot

941
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:10,240
recently people on twitter and

942
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,279
everywhere saying

943
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:13,200
if you come across anybody that claims

944
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:14,399
that they know

945
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,760
what these things are run right away

946
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,120
that's one of the first things i was

947
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,279
taught in this field by myself

948
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:23,440
like just know you're gonna hear some

949
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,480
weird stuff

950
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,480
and you're gonna be let down roads that

951
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,799
probably aren't um where you should be

952
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:30,960
going with these topics and uh

953
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,919
and look um belief is a very powerful

954
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:35,840
thing and people will take advantage of

955
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,399
that

956
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:38,320
and if you give them enough money they

957
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,440
will tell you

958
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,960
what to believe and they will give you

959
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:42,880
the answers so that you can move on with

960
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,519
your life

961
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:46,320
and that's tough man it's a it's a tough

962
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,039
field

963
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,360
and uh it's a tough thing to navigate

964
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:50,960
for sure i'm still trying to figure it

965
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:51,360
out

966
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:52,720
it is man and that's the thing that i

967
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:55,039
find myself i find myself spending hours

968
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,080
looking into something

969
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,240
feel like i'm getting somewhere with

970
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,600
what i'm looking into

971
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,679
but then after five six seven hours you

972
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,039
just suddenly hit a brick wall and

973
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,120
you're so far down one rabbit hole

974
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,480
that you've got to crawl all the way

975
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:08,640
back out and starting afresh in another

976
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,960
one

977
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,360
and you've wasted all those hours but

978
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:13,120
it's just the nature is the name of the

979
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,159
game isn't it i mean

980
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,919
yes and at the end of the day i love it

981
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,760
like yeah i i kind of go back to my

982
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,039
playwriting days there's

983
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,240
i i will lose 12 hours of a day

984
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,799
not to like missing time alien abduction

985
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,679
but to

986
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:28,480
literally being so focused on something

987
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,039
um

988
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:31,440
creating a world writing a play that

989
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:32,880
nothing else matters

990
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,919
and there's times in the ufo field where

991
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,120
i get so entrenched in a case or um

992
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:41,440
the testimony that someone's brought me

993
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,240
or just

994
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,760
talking to someone on the phone about

995
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,320
their experience that i'm like

996
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,399
wow the sun's down like what that what

997
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,600
the hell just happened i

998
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,799
i feel like i just woke up and um that's

999
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,519
cool

1000
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,840
like i don't see it as a waste at all i

1001
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,039
think every

1002
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,960
every moment looking into these things

1003
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,039
is like beneficial in some way

1004
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,960
you might throw it out or it might

1005
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,120
change your change your entire

1006
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,519
perspective so yeah yeah totally and

1007
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,119
i've just put this comment up here

1008
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,359
i felt like that after reading the uap

1009
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,200
report so

1010
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,960
let's jump on to that because you know

1011
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,480
everyone's got an opinion

1012
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,720
um i'll just jump mining quickly that i

1013
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,560
think it's a big step to

1014
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,440
things down the line i left my

1015
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,040
expectations low

1016
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,520
so that i wasn't disappointed and so i

1017
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,040
can we can now work from that

1018
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:31,040
so what about you ryan let's hear from

1019
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,079
from what you think

1020
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,119
yeah well i mean and if you if you do

1021
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:37,200
listen to or find any value in the

1022
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,320
things that

1023
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,200
people like luis elizondo say or um any

1024
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,560
ufo researcher

1025
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,440
uh for that matter uh a lot of people

1026
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,800
have been saying for months like don't

1027
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,760
expect much

1028
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,359
like six months what the hell can they

1029
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:51,839
do we've had this this mystery for

1030
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,800
at least 75 years yeah and we don't know

1031
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,000
what the hell is going on

1032
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,000
so like how are they gonna do anything

1033
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,760
in six months uh with the

1034
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,839
limited resources and again i always go

1035
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,440
back to x-files dude like

1036
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:06,000
i'm imagining one dude or one woman in a

1037
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,960
basement

1038
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,800
looking into this thing and being like i

1039
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,160
don't know like

1040
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:12,000
this isn't what i signed up for i didn't

1041
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,440
go to school for

1042
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,520
you know eight years to work at the

1043
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,359
pentagon and look into like flying

1044
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,599
saucers come on

1045
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,119
they're they're it's what they do at

1046
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:23,520
home you know after an eight hour day at

1047
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,920
work

1048
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:26,480
and they're three glasses of wine in and

1049
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,040
they're like

1050
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:29,200
ah damn it i gotta i gotta do this uap

1051
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:30,560
report thing that's kind of what i

1052
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,280
envisioned

1053
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,880
it does it's probably more like that

1054
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:34,079
than what people think where there's

1055
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,720
this

1056
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,760
task force you know like super

1057
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:40,000
into you know into every three letter

1058
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:40,960
agency just getting

1059
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:44,560
all of this data in in six six months

1060
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,680
which we know now was the case like even

1061
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,520
i and this is no slight against the

1062
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,000
people who were in this task force or um

1063
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,000
were tasked with doing this they did

1064
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,000
what they was requested of them

1065
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,640
and no more like that's understandable

1066
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,400
welcome to like the government

1067
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:03,280
and you know the slow moving gears of

1068
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,000
any

1069
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,720
government agency or bureaucracy um but

1070
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,680
that being said

1071
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,119
i we knew in politico when brian bender

1072
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,119
even interviewed the people in the task

1073
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:14,640
force and

1074
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,359
um the cia wasn't giving them any

1075
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:18,800
information the air force wasn't giving

1076
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,440
them any

1077
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,200
information they the department of

1078
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,960
energy we're never going to hear from

1079
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:23,520
them

1080
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,880
about any of this i guarantee you um so

1081
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,480
they were being stonewalled left and

1082
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:30,160
right and they're like hey what do you

1083
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,200
have in ufos

1084
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:34,000
nothing go away we have way more exactly

1085
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,400
um

1086
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,359
or nothing that you need to know about

1087
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,280
so

1088
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,680
what i didn't expect anything dude i i

1089
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:42,640
thought maybe

1090
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,920
specific case

1091
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:48,480
and yeah maybe a photo or a video to

1092
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,960
look at

1093
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,280
but we didn't even get that no we got

1094
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,640
six pages

1095
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:55,200
um with a cover page and two appendix

1096
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:55,760
pages

1097
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,359
yeah um and i i kept compare

1098
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,760
comparing it to like it was christmas

1099
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,760
eve we were all excited and waiting for

1100
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:04,800
the present

1101
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,000
wanted a playstation 5

1102
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:12,560
and you got a cartridge to like an atari

1103
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:13,280
or something

1104
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,560
like what am i going to do with this

1105
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,800
there's nothing here

1106
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,880
so for me that's kind of where i was

1107
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,079
with it but yeah

1108
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,160
i'll say after reading it a second and

1109
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,880
third time i did find some pretty

1110
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,680
interesting nuggets in there and i agree

1111
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,680
with you things we can look forward to

1112
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,760
and it wasn't even the report man it was

1113
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,880
the um

1114
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,040
the memo from the department of defense

1115
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,640
that came out after that within

1116
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:39,520
exactly straight away almost yeah yeah

1117
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,079
that was

1118
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,680
way more promising than anything in the

1119
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,280
report the report to me read like

1120
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,920
um we're dumb uh we don't have the

1121
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,320
resources to really look into this

1122
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,800
sorry like here you go they're

1123
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,000
unexplained

1124
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,440
um yeah so there work with that

1125
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:58,320
um we we explained one out of what was

1126
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:58,720
it

1127
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,680
like a hundred forty four yeah yeah we

1128
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:03,119
explained one and it was a balloon of

1129
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,160
course there was a balloon

1130
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,839
that's what you always say these things

1131
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,680
are so

1132
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,599
that memo after man that's where it was

1133
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:11,119
at i was like whoa

1134
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,640
okay so pentagon task force kind of done

1135
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,720
department of defense is like we'll pick

1136
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,000
it up from here like we

1137
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,079
have the resources and we'll get more

1138
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:22,000
money and we'll put up a permanent

1139
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,440
program to look into this

1140
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,440
a lot of people are like so what it's

1141
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:27,119
just gonna continue this

1142
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,040
narrative of um um whatever space force

1143
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,880
and defending us against possible

1144
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,640
threats from space or uh

1145
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,960
foreign adversaries and that's fine that

1146
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:39,200
could very well be true i'm not saying

1147
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,920
it's not

1148
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,760
but um i'm just excited man that it's

1149
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,839
gonna continue um yeah yeah

1150
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,000
i thought this was gonna be it like one

1151
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,680
and done and that's it but it's a

1152
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,200
preliminary assessment

1153
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,960
exactly that's what i keep reminding

1154
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,960
people they say oh the report sucks

1155
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,200
it wasn't even really a report yes it

1156
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,599
wasn't a declassified version of a

1157
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,119
classified report but

1158
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,440
but you know it was titled you know

1159
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,040
preliminary assessment

1160
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,680
um and we have heard things from some of

1161
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,359
the people that were in the briefings by

1162
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,119
the fbi and the

1163
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,320
navy i think it was the 16th of june um

1164
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,240
and we've hit a mixed bag people saying

1165
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,839
i wasn't on the edge of my seat

1166
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:18,240
other people apparently were visibly

1167
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,200
shaken so it's

1168
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,160
really difficult to kind of know what

1169
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,520
they've seen or

1170
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,400
or been been briefed on exactly man and

1171
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:27,680
i think those 11

1172
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,119
cases in there of near misses uh

1173
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:33,760
we have to pay attention to that like

1174
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,400
come on

1175
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,320
like i don't care if you believe in a

1176
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,000
threat or not from these things that is

1177
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,599
a potential threat

1178
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:42,000
if these things are whizzing past um not

1179
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,359
just our military

1180
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,400
pilots but um pilots

1181
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,800
all around the world that can you

1182
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,560
imagine how many actual cases out there

1183
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,680
of commercial

1184
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,839
near misses commercial pilots with these

1185
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,000
uap um the numbers are probably

1186
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:58,560
astounding well me and max interviewed

1187
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,040
um

1188
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,119
two dutch pilots last night on our new

1189
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,280
youtube channel i mean

1190
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,680
they were think we cannot tell how far

1191
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:07,200
away these objects are when they're it's

1192
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:08,560
the middle of the night their lights

1193
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:09,359
they could be

1194
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:12,319
really close and yeah amazing interview

1195
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,040
by the way

1196
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:15,760
like did you see it yeah yeah and again

1197
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,319
yeah

1198
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,480
again i'm a super fan i'm not kidding

1199
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,240
you the tables are gonna turn i'm gonna

1200
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,319
have your t-shirt on soon but um

1201
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,400
no i'm so happy you guys are doing that

1202
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,880
because all of this is so focused on the

1203
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,480
goddamn united states

1204
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:31,200
yeah and the pentagon and it's like who

1205
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,240
cares

1206
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,160
what america thinks about this these

1207
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,160
things are happening all over the world

1208
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,000
and yeah maybe we're we're kind of

1209
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:39,760
setting an example of

1210
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,640
it's okay like you can talk about this

1211
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,160
you can report it maybe

1212
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:46,560
um other nations will start doing that

1213
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,280
uh

1214
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,599
but like don't take our word for what

1215
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:51,520
they came up with in this assessment

1216
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:54,160
like come on they they they were they

1217
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,720
nothing

1218
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,480
they didn't come up with anything they

1219
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:58,240
said yup there's stuff out there

1220
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,720
happening

1221
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,880
uh we don't know what it is and uh we

1222
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,640
should probably look more into it so

1223
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,520
boom let's get task forces all over the

1224
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,560
world looking at this

1225
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,880
let's have a cold war of trying to

1226
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:09,839
understand

1227
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:12,560
what these uap are without the nuclear

1228
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,520
missiles

1229
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,359
let me let me make that very clear a

1230
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,560
cold war of um

1231
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,800
technological advancement in studying

1232
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,079
and understanding uap

1233
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,680
i think is the future yeah no absolutely

1234
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,760
um and of course a lot of people across

1235
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,000
the world especially in the states have

1236
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,599
probably now got these subjects on their

1237
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,480
radar

1238
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,880
due to the huge influx of reporting done

1239
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,560
by the mainstream media

1240
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,400
now a lot of people are like don't

1241
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,319
believe it it's fake news

1242
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,079
but then people like me i'm like look

1243
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,599
we've been crying out for the media to

1244
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:42,480
take this subject

1245
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:45,200
seriously for such a long time now that

1246
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:46,240
they are

1247
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,839
everyone says it's fake news you just

1248
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:49,920
can't win i mean what do you think about

1249
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:50,560
that

1250
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,839
yeah it's i i compare it to um

1251
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,640
you know i and everyone says this about

1252
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:58,960
like their favorite band or whatever but

1253
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,839
i was really into green day back like

1254
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,200
way before dookie

1255
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,599
and like way before they went mainstream

1256
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:06,720
and uh you know

1257
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,079
once they kind of really exploded and

1258
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:12,079
then got to like the american idiot

1259
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:12,720
level

1260
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,079
and what have you playing to like 10 000

1261
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,319
people every night um you're kind of

1262
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,520
like ah man

1263
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,240
like i was supporting those guys from

1264
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,839
the very beginning and now all these

1265
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,040
people are like

1266
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:27,839
enjoying it and reaping the benefits and

1267
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,400
and

1268
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:31,119
that's such a narrow way to look at it

1269
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,839
um

1270
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,560
i think any way you can get your message

1271
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:35,440
out there

1272
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,319
uh to the most broad and basic level uh

1273
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,079
is going to help the conversation it's

1274
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:43,760
going to get more people talking about

1275
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,400
it

1276
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,440
these ufo shows

1277
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:50,160
are out there and why i i consider being

1278
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,200
a part of them

1279
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,280
like i don't give a crap about being on

1280
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,800
tv i honestly don't

1281
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,960
um you know at one time i wanted to be

1282
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,319
an actor but that's not

1283
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,640
that's not my pursuit any longer um i

1284
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,720
find way more rewarding things to do

1285
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:03,680
with my life

1286
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,960
and uh i just want to use what i can and

1287
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,160
learn what i can

1288
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,200
by using hollywood like if dude

1289
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,880
if they're gonna pay me to go to the

1290
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,400
roswell crash site

1291
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,800
and get tests done on my t on materials

1292
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:17,839
i'm gonna do it

1293
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,480
because i as an independent researcher

1294
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,000
could never do that i would

1295
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,599
never have that opportunity but then you

1296
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,960
get the worry that people are gonna call

1297
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,240
you a sellout that you're being

1298
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:28,720
controlled or manipulated by people

1299
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,760
oh i have been i've been sure everything

1300
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:32,640
a sellout

1301
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,920
um a attention seeker a disinformation

1302
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,440
agent oh yeah

1303
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,480
dude if i could tell everyone how boring

1304
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,119
and mundane like my life actually is

1305
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,680
and like how much that's not true i

1306
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:47,359
would but i don't even waste my time

1307
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,240
trying to

1308
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,560
defend myself against that like it is

1309
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,839
what it is

1310
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:54,160
if somebody wants me to talk about ufos

1311
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,960
in front of

1312
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,599
a national audience um and get the word

1313
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,720
out there on the topic

1314
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,880
i'm gonna do it and i i think that's

1315
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,720
kind of where it's at but yes

1316
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,640
the fact that all of this is coming out

1317
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,720
now in an age of um

1318
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,079
uh what we've come to call it fake news

1319
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,800
is tough and anything can be faked

1320
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,880
anything can be twisted anything can be

1321
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:15,760
spun

1322
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,119
a certain way and uh that sucks

1323
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:21,520
that like the first time not the first

1324
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,319
time but like

1325
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,240
one of the most prominent times the ufos

1326
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,760
have gone mainstream

1327
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,680
we're living in an age where anything

1328
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,200
can literally

1329
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,680
be cgi'd whether it's with videos and

1330
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,480
photos

1331
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:35,520
or just um spun to fit a certain

1332
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,079
narrative

1333
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,119
um yeah it sucks but um again

1334
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,880
do your own research come to your own

1335
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,560
conclusions don't listen to what

1336
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:44,000
elizondo says don't listen to what

1337
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,960
stephen greer says

1338
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:47,200
what the new york times says like do

1339
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,079
your own thing

1340
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,920
that's what i say get your own answers

1341
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,599
out of this topic yeah exactly that's

1342
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,359
what i say to people is like we

1343
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,280
you know can only give them something to

1344
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,280
work with we can't answer their or make

1345
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,800
their mind up for them

1346
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,720
you know i don't mind giving them a

1347
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,240
direction but i can't give you

1348
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,760
everything people do need to get off

1349
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:05,280
their butts a little bit

1350
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,560
and i don't mean that in a bad way i

1351
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:09,200
just mean like it really is worth just

1352
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,680
going

1353
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,720
your own route doing your own thing and

1354
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,920
just going back to what you were saying

1355
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,839
then about cgi and that i mean it showed

1356
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,560
this week

1357
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:19,359
did you see that footage of the tr3b at

1358
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,760
night

1359
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:22,480
going across the i mean oh man i got

1360
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:22,960
like my

1361
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,720
my hair stood up um i i did share that

1362
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,280
and i used it as an example of this is

1363
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,680
how easy it is and this is how good

1364
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,599
it can look and you know i had to go

1365
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,680
down the deep reddit rabbit hole

1366
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,760
to finally be like all right this is

1367
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,319
fake like someone pointed out the road

1368
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,400
kept repeating itself like every two

1369
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,520
seconds exactly

1370
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,359
and i watched it like a hundred times

1371
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:46,720
i'm like yeah

1372
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,760
yep it did it did and then you again

1373
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,440
when it's too good to be true that's

1374
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:53,760
when i'm like ah and that's the problem

1375
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,079
dude

1376
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,240
like either it's too blurry or it's too

1377
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,040
clear like where's the medium here

1378
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,880
to know this is a legitimate ufo

1379
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,480
absolutely i mean

1380
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,560
yeah good thing about that video is and

1381
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,240
the guy actually came out

1382
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,440
uh since and has put out an apology

1383
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,520
saying i didn't realize this is this was

1384
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:13,040
gonna happen i didn't do it with the

1385
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,000
intention of spreading

1386
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,480
like a fake ufo video he's just a visual

1387
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,920
effects artist so he put out this

1388
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,880
apology

1389
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,480
then he put out a second version of the

1390
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,640
video with a wireframe of the car so you

1391
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,760
can see that it's

1392
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:26,480
that it's fake with his face oh man that

1393
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,280
hey

1394
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,599
again that is a calling card for any

1395
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,440
special effects artist um yeah and i

1396
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,720
respect he did that

1397
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:34,960
because there's so many who like who put

1398
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,040
a video on youtube with no contacts

1399
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,599
um don't say it's fake it gets three

1400
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,680
million views in like two hours

1401
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:44,079
and boom be like hey hollywood hi look

1402
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,440
what i did in like

1403
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,520
an hour like you should probably hire me

1404
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,839
so good for him but also at the same

1405
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,440
time i'm like

1406
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,480
i i don't know man like now you can say

1407
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:55,599
i did this

1408
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,640
and this is how i did it hire me so um

1409
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,880
you know what you know what good for

1410
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:01,920
good for him it was

1411
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,720
an incredible video it was an amazing

1412
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,079
special effects artist

1413
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,560
yeah definitely definitely but that was

1414
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,000
again i was just saying that's a perfect

1415
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,400
example um right let's jump into a few

1416
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:13,839
quick fire questions they don't have to

1417
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:14,560
be quick

1418
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:18,160
answers but favorite case favorite ufo

1419
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:19,119
case

1420
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,800
amazing ah man i and i'm so quick to

1421
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,800
answer that only because like

1422
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,720
it is the case i've looked into more

1423
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,920
than any

1424
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,680
and i was writing a play about the rendo

1425
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,599
show incident for a really long time

1426
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:37,680
like deep deep research but i can tell

1427
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,800
you tehran i've looked way more into

1428
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,720
and um it was actually the first case i

1429
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:44,880
received in foia

1430
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:47,680
response to and um you know other than

1431
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:48,240
like

1432
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,000
nothing or um

1433
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:54,000
like you didn't do the request right

1434
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,280
like go away

1435
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,839
but um i i talked to john greenwald for

1436
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,280
a really long time on

1437
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,640
uh because that was the first case he

1438
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:02,480
looked into and filed a request for

1439
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,960
really

1440
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,960
so i'm like how do i do how do i

1441
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,040
actually get anything on the tyron case

1442
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:09,760
because i'm like i i i'm amazed by this

1443
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,400
case

1444
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,960
and he showed before we carry on let's

1445
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,559
just briefly lay out the case for the

1446
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,640
people that may not be aware of it

1447
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,800
if you don't mind no no i i should do

1448
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,720
that i always forget that like

1449
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,400
people aren't into this like you and me

1450
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:23,920
every day of our lives

1451
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,040
so um tehran 1976 uh

1452
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:29,680
lights were being seen over the city in

1453
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,079
um

1454
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:33,200
in iran and uh people started phoning

1455
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,480
the police and the uh the local faa and

1456
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,359
being like

1457
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:39,359
something's going on over the city like

1458
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:40,559
what should we

1459
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,359
be worried and they they looked on their

1460
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:45,280
radars and they're like with

1461
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,800
it's not ours like we we whatever it is

1462
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,319
we can't communicate with it it's not

1463
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,839
showing up on radar

1464
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,920
um but this is kind of weird let's let's

1465
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,760
bring it over to the air force

1466
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:58,079
so they phoned the local iranian air

1467
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:58,960
force base

1468
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,400
and say hey uh what uh yours

1469
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:05,040
what what's going on here and they're

1470
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,160
like no

1471
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,200
huh so they send up a uh a

1472
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,720
a fighter jet to investigate and um

1473
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:15,119
dude goes up there and the closer he

1474
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,480
gets to these lights

1475
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,800
the more his instrumentation starts to

1476
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,599
fail

1477
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,839
um everything from his communication

1478
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,960
back to the uh

1479
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:25,359
the base and his weapon system

1480
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:26,000
everything

1481
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:30,720
circling around being like okay i gotta

1482
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,440
like

1483
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,200
what what's going on and it got to the

1484
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,280
point where he wasted so much fuel

1485
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:37,040
that he's like i can't do this i gotta

1486
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:38,400
go back to base

1487
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,760
so scared this pilot goes back to base

1488
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,119
and he's like i don't know

1489
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,520
i don't know what to tell you and um at

1490
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:47,200
the base at the time was actually a

1491
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,000
general

1492
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,920
and this dude's like he's been in the

1493
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,680
air for more than anyone else on that

1494
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:53,599
air force base so he's like yeah i'll go

1495
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,079
up there

1496
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,200
i got this i got this uh parvis jafari

1497
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,280
was his name he's seen everything up

1498
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:00,480
there in the sky

1499
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,920
so he goes up um and same thing

1500
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,760
closer he gets to these lights the more

1501
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,680
his instrumentation starts to fail

1502
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,800
but he pushes it he's like i i gotta for

1503
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,000
the safety of everyone

1504
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,400
i gotta figure out what this is and uh

1505
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:16,000
he gets closer and that's when he

1506
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,040
actually sees

1507
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,079
an object and it was massive

1508
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,400
he said it was the size of like a boeing

1509
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,319
um 747.

1510
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,880
it was diamond shaped it had lights

1511
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,480
wrapped all around it

1512
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:31,359
and then things started coming out of it

1513
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:31,760
like

1514
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,280
things started coming off of the object

1515
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,720
and coming towards him

1516
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,960
so he freaks out he thinks it's missile

1517
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,720
so he's like all right let's do this

1518
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:43,520
like here we go air fight air fight

1519
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,319
engage

1520
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,040
and he starts having like a cat and

1521
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,640
mouse or what would you call it like a

1522
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,680
dog fight

1523
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:52,079
with these objects they're following him

1524
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,359
he's following it

1525
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:55,839
he's locking on it it's locking on him

1526
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,559
um

1527
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:59,040
to the point where the one of the

1528
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,240
objects started chasing

1529
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,960
him and he had to go into a negative g

1530
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,079
nose dive

1531
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:06,400
just to get out of its way and get

1532
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,520
behind it

1533
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:10,240
and um ah dude and this is the thing

1534
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:10,559
like

1535
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,559
but this is all the documents i got

1536
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,720
oh yeah which is crazy the

1537
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:17,920
communications

1538
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,520
everything everything um so eventually

1539
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,200
you know he can't figure out what it is

1540
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,880
the diamond disappears

1541
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,359
he goes to the ground and within moments

1542
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:28,960
of getting out of his plane

1543
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,720
um the cia is there the american air

1544
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,839
force is there

1545
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,319
the national security agency is there

1546
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,079
and mind you at the time we were leasing

1547
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,599
our planes to iran

1548
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,920
so they were probably like what just

1549
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,440
outmaneuvered our planes

1550
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,599
shut down the weapons what is going on

1551
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,880
here and um

1552
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:49,440
they grilled this guy for days and days

1553
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,079
after that

1554
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,640
and uh to the point where eventually he

1555
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:54,240
was kind of shut up about the whole

1556
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,040
thing

1557
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,440
until decades later where he came to

1558
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:58,559
washington dc

1559
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,240
and admitted all of this and um

1560
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,920
told his story and unfortunately he

1561
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,079
passed away a couple years ago but

1562
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,359
ah man um wow that was not a cliff notes

1563
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,800
version i really went

1564
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,960
oh that's great honestly you know you

1565
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,839
you gave

1566
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,680
you literally said it like a like a

1567
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,720
researcher would and i appreciate that

1568
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,800
such a great answer to what your

1569
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,920
favorite cases

1570
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,520
i'm just going to jump to this question

1571
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,520
shout out to our very good friend mr

1572
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,520
louise jimenez

1573
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,599
what does ryan think about this travis

1574
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:31,119
walton revelation

1575
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,319
oh yeah so again um

1576
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:37,040
famous ufo abduction case of the logger

1577
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,520
i'm sure

1578
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,599
everyone hopefully has seen fire in the

1579
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:41,920
sky or read travis walton's book um

1580
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:44,480
i've met travis several times uh you

1581
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,520
know he always

1582
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,680
came across to me as a straight shooter

1583
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,599
never really swayed from his story

1584
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:52,480
um you know supposedly uh he was out

1585
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,280
there and got

1586
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:56,240
kidnapped by aliens and seven witnesses

1587
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,440
or six witnesses

1588
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,319
uh saw this happen they all went under

1589
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,720
polygraph tests and passed and um

1590
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,960
it's become one of the most like i guess

1591
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,720
credible and well documented

1592
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,559
abduction cases out there including to

1593
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,480
me uh absolutely

1594
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:13,680
i've talked about it a lot and um

1595
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,200
recently uh apparently one of the guys

1596
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,319
uh uh presumably travis is one of his

1597
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,520
close friends

1598
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,440
during the event um has since come out

1599
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:25,280
and said uh we made it all

1600
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:29,040
up uh we were not gonna make our

1601
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:29,760
contract

1602
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,280
there in snowflake arizona

1603
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,200
and uh they said literally the only way

1604
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,960
we could get out of this was would be an

1605
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,240
act of god

1606
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,640
so instead of active god active aliens

1607
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:44,400
they came up with this entire

1608
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,760
alien object abduction scenario and uh i

1609
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,920
mean the guy was missing for five days

1610
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,520
and the police thought they'd murdered

1611
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,200
him and they made up this whole thing to

1612
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,119
cover it up but then lo and behold

1613
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:58,000
dude shows up five days later disheveled

1614
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,480
um

1615
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,240
you know miles away from where the event

1616
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,480
happened and and eventually came out

1617
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,400
with this story that he

1618
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,960
was being experimented on on a ship and

1619
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:09,280
there were human aliens there were

1620
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,119
weird big headed black eyed aliens and

1621
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:14,720
and again like it's become one of the

1622
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,280
most famous cases uh but recently

1623
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,359
uh mike one of the guys involved with

1624
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,119
this has come forward and said

1625
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,319
it was all a hoax and um that's kind of

1626
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:26,720
where it lays it kind of just broke

1627
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,440
um i didn't even go into when they were

1628
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,040
talking about the lie detector tests

1629
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:33,040
that there wasn't a direct question

1630
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,720
asked about aliens

1631
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,559
so they were able to pass the test

1632
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,079
because the the roundabout

1633
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,559
way the questions were asked it was very

1634
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,319
i think you're right strange yeah

1635
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,480
they never actually asked the guys like

1636
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:47,200
was it a ufo that abducted your friend

1637
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:50,319
um the questions were very vague very

1638
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:53,599
vague and broad yeah yeah so

1639
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:56,480
um again a lot of people are saying that

1640
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,119
um

1641
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:59,839
they're remaking fire in the sky and

1642
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,160
more

1643
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,400
to the accurate story of what travis

1644
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,760
walton has claimed

1645
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:06,559
and that um that mike one of the guys

1646
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,520
involved with all this

1647
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,920
uh that he was not made aware that a new

1648
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,359
movie was being made

1649
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,680
he wasn't gonna be like paid for it or

1650
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,040
anything like that

1651
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,200
so you have to wonder is this like a

1652
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:19,359
thing between friends where like

1653
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,640
um is it all about money and he's kind

1654
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,680
of like

1655
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,280
he's kind of butt hurt that he's not

1656
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,960
going to be a part of this so he's like

1657
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,480
i'm going to tell them all it was a hoax

1658
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,559
no exactly and just to see this sharing

1659
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,319
this on facebook please don't go out

1660
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:34,079
there and say that it was all a hoax

1661
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:34,640
because

1662
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:37,280
this is just one man coming and probably

1663
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,640
maybe a bit pissed

1664
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,880
because of what ryan just explained so

1665
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,799
let's just wait we might hear more we

1666
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,599
might not

1667
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:46,000
so i want to hear from travis yeah

1668
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,640
exactly

1669
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:47,680
do you know what i actually emailed

1670
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,240
travis travis this week um

1671
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:52,960
for a project i'm working on i i hope i

1672
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,839
hope i hear from him soon

1673
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,079
it might be after the con the storm

1674
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,839
comes on this whole thing but

1675
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,240
yes now that that's happened absolutely

1676
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,440
so um

1677
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:06,400
again here's another quick fire question

1678
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,040
for you

1679
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:10,240
favorite fictional movie related to ets

1680
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:11,200
and ufos

1681
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,430
i you know the the easy answer is always

1682
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:18,960
like close encounters

1683
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,400
of course obviously um but

1684
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:25,680
i actually really

1685
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,119
really dug the um the movie that came

1686
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,920
out that was called dark skies

1687
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,760
oh yeah that that was a bit of a horrory

1688
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:35,280
one where the guys in the garden with

1689
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:36,559
his mouth open and all

1690
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:39,760
it was super creepy man again it really

1691
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,119
um kind of bent the

1692
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,000
the genre of horror and uh alien

1693
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:47,680
abduction you know like fire in the sky

1694
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,559
yeah it was pretty

1695
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:51,119
freaky what what the movie portrayed on

1696
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,079
the ship but uh

1697
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,799
of course this dark skies movie i i

1698
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,319
didn't expect much from it

1699
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,559
hey i was pissed that they stole the

1700
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,760
title from um

1701
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,599
that awesome television series that

1702
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,359
bryce sabo came out with

1703
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,640
i was like come on you couldn't have

1704
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:07,280
come up with something else but um

1705
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,480
but i loved the movie i

1706
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,160
really did i thought it was a really

1707
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,079
good take on alien abduction

1708
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,520
um how this this phenomenon seems to

1709
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,359
go throughout the generations of certain

1710
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,280
families yeah um

1711
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,119
and just i i thought it was well

1712
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:25,359
structured again as a playwright in a

1713
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,319
screenwriter

1714
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,640
the the script was fantastic yeah

1715
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,480
because it didn't it didn't rely on cgi

1716
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,000
and all that so much it was

1717
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:35,040
it was the storytelling the the scripts

1718
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,920
like you said

1719
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,760
it's about a family and uh that's just

1720
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,440
sorry man that's why everyone loves

1721
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:41,520
steven spielberg movies because he

1722
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,480
he focuses on families and how you know

1723
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:45,920
you have to come together

1724
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,040
to to sort of um solve a problem

1725
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,880
and for this family it was straight up

1726
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,880
getting abducted by aliens so like

1727
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,480
the stakes don't get much higher than

1728
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,920
that so i i

1729
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,920
if anyone hasn't seen the movie i highly

1730
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,000
suggest it it's not that well known

1731
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,839
um but it really has become one of my

1732
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:03,280
favorites and one other one

1733
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,559
i'll mention is uh taken the mini series

1734
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:08,240
by steven spielberg i know it's not a

1735
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,119
movie

1736
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,319
but um just in amazing

1737
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,720
amazing documentation of ufos from

1738
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,520
roswell

1739
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,599
up until like the early 2000s it's

1740
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,920
incredible that was great and that's

1741
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,440
you know that's not nothing being done

1742
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:23,440
since then on such a scale as well

1743
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:23,839
because

1744
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,319
that was storytelling across generations

1745
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,760
and

1746
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,760
it really stuck to the script of of what

1747
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,400
researchers have done you know as well

1748
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,319
yeah there was a few far out things as

1749
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,240
far as

1750
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,079
the aliens themselves and a bit of the

1751
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,760
narrative there but wow

1752
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,359
i recommend that to everyone as well

1753
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:43,359
dark skies like ryan says

1754
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:46,720
great choices man i love it i love it

1755
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,240
thank you um favorite book

1756
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,160
ooh of course i'm going to look at these

1757
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,000
ones behind me i thought this is a good

1758
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:55,680
chance for you to plug yours but

1759
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,000
oh oh dude i am uh ufo

1760
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,599
book guy throw it through of course i

1761
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,000
have my own there we go guys

1762
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,040
um ah that's a tough one um

1763
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,200
it is isn't it because it's not simply a

1764
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:10,799
case of one book from one

1765
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,000
thing no no it's a historical book or a

1766
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,680
case book

1767
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,920
i'm gonna you know what no i'll go out

1768
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:18,960
and say it i think

1769
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,040
ufos by leslie kane um honestly like

1770
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,520
say what you want about her work i know

1771
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:27,440
people like steven grier have his own

1772
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:28,480
opinions on

1773
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:32,000
on miss kane but um

1774
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,200
i've spent time with leslie um i've

1775
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:37,520
interviewed her several times uh she's

1776
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,799
been so

1777
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:41,040
gracious inviting me to her apartment

1778
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:42,480
she doesn't live too far from me

1779
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,200
actually

1780
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,040
so like we meet up every now and again

1781
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:47,599
and um and she is just one of the most

1782
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:48,880
tenacious reporters

1783
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:52,000
out there and um that book uh which was

1784
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,680
a new york times bestseller

1785
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,400
just it encapsulates everything i think

1786
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:58,079
this topic truly stands for

1787
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,359
we don't know what it is um our military

1788
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:04,319
is just as mystified as we are in that

1789
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,720
people

1790
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,240
all over the world have experienced

1791
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:08,319
these things so i highly suggest people

1792
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:08,880
look at

1793
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,760
the book ufos absolutely great choice

1794
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,280
again and let's just

1795
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,040
jump straight into it then ryan i think

1796
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,280
this is the conversation piece that

1797
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,640
everyone wants to really talk about

1798
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:20,400
right now i've had it all day long

1799
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:24,480
all over instagram in my dms

1800
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,760
the cosmic hoax the

1801
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,640
oh uh i was gonna say friend steven

1802
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,000
greer but i probably shouldn't even

1803
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:34,799
even say that hey hey hey he's a friend

1804
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:35,200
man

1805
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,559
like good on you i'm not i'm not gonna

1806
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:41,119
i'm not gonna uh you know anyone who

1807
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,079
follows his work

1808
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:45,359
like i i often joke about it but like

1809
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,480
do your thing again yeah i mean the

1810
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,839
message is there with

1811
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:52,559
peace and we don't want war anymore you

1812
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:52,960
know

1813
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,829
let's not get too deep into the

1814
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:59,440
nitty-gritty because we're not here to

1815
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:59,839
bash

1816
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,720
anybody that's not what we do but like

1817
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,839
so you watched it

1818
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:06,480
today if i if i'm right and what did you

1819
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:07,599
think

1820
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:10,480
any any stand out bits or confusing bits

1821
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,280
or just something

1822
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:14,400
anything yeah so i mean again like you

1823
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,119
have these

1824
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:17,119
dueling narratives going on right now

1825
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,160
when it comes to

1826
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,319
elizondo and everything to the stars

1827
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,160
academy sort of stood for

1828
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:24,000
and uh what the pentagon seems to be

1829
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,200
standing for and that's

1830
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,680
the potential threat angle of these uap

1831
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:29,119
uh and then you have someone on the

1832
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,240
other side saying

1833
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,920
no it's not a threat like we have to

1834
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:33,359
embrace these

1835
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:36,559
intelligences and uh and um

1836
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:39,040
and and bring them in and communicate

1837
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,760
with them

1838
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,480
uh because ultimately like they kind of

1839
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,400
hold our fate in their hands

1840
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:47,680
and uh i don't think that's

1841
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,319
wrong to think that way um but i also

1842
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,240
don't think it's wrong to think that

1843
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:53,920
these could be a potential threat

1844
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,760
so um the fact that this film dropped um

1845
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:00,400
and that it literally called out people

1846
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:01,520
by name

1847
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:04,720
and uh attempted to defame them

1848
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:08,319
and to uh make up i'm just gonna say

1849
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:12,079
make up lies about them uh was extremely

1850
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:13,200
irresponsible

1851
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:15,280
again stephen grier can make a million

1852
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,400
documentaries

1853
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:18,000
people are still gonna watch him still

1854
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:20,319
gonna follow him and uh that's fine i've

1855
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,640
seen

1856
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,799
every one of his documentaries yeah and

1857
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,640
some of them i was like

1858
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,559
like unacknowledged i was like that was

1859
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,160
pretty damn good

1860
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,319
like i'm not gonna lie and he gets some

1861
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,480
really good people to like narrate him

1862
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:34,400
and stuff but uh

1863
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:37,280
it always comes down to me um for me

1864
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:37,920
with him

1865
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:41,440
of uh watch my movie and then go

1866
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,720
download my app

1867
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,359
and then come to my uh retreats and pay

1868
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,880
seven thousand dollars

1869
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:49,520
to uh shine a flashlight at the sky and

1870
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,000
um

1871
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,880
talk to an alien i have nothing against

1872
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,480
ce5 vinny nothing

1873
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,520
no no i i i'm actually

1874
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:59,280
uh going to be talking to some people

1875
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,599
who who do it because i

1876
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:03,200
i think there might be something to it

1877
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:04,720
i'm very open i

1878
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,319
agree and i and again like any way to

1879
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,160
attempt communicating with what these

1880
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:11,760
uap may represent

1881
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,839
i think is great because clearly our

1882
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:15,200
pilots can't do it

1883
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:16,880
when people like parvish jafari were

1884
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,359
like shoot first asked questions later

1885
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,440
uh his biggest regret during the tehran

1886
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:22,720
incident wasn't

1887
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:25,839
like that he didn't figure out what it

1888
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:26,240
was

1889
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:29,359
it and say what are you doing

1890
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:33,039
what do you want who are you so c5 is

1891
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,880
awesome um all the time that's the thing

1892
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,240
though it's not really i mean i don't

1893
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,000
even like using the term ce5 because

1894
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,599
that's just a branded version of

1895
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:41,200
something that's a lot older

1896
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,880
right there's a lot of baggage behind

1897
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,400
that yeah um

1898
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:46,079
be right in what you're saying i mean

1899
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:47,520
it's it's not so

1900
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,799
what stood out for me i'm just gonna

1901
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,799
throw this in is the use of john warner

1902
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:52,799
the fourth and richard doty

1903
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:56,319
to try and make a point yeah was warner

1904
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:56,880
the

1905
01:04:02,470 --> 01:03:59,920
melon

1906
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,480
family in some way oh that was

1907
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:04,240
interesting man you got like the melon

1908
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:05,760
family kind of

1909
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:08,319
uh on either end it's like the monarch

1910
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:09,520
music capulets

1911
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:13,359
exactly yeah yeah um so yeah you just

1912
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,319
again like i for me it came off as kind

1913
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:18,240
of like a pity party thing

1914
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,799
like i think stephen grier feels very

1915
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:21,680
left out

1916
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:24,720
with um the whole ufos going mainstream

1917
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:27,359
and the pentagon kind of hijacking the

1918
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:29,039
entire conversation and

1919
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,480
saying these are a threat where he's

1920
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,400
worked his ass off for decades

1921
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:34,640
saying they're not a threat and again

1922
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,440
good on him

1923
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,280
like i i don't think anyone should buy

1924
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,280
into everything

1925
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,039
under saying everything greer's saying

1926
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,039
whatever don't even listen to what i say

1927
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:46,160
like go do your own effing research on

1928
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,960
this yeah

1929
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:48,640
because at the end of the day you want

1930
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,559
answers for yourself um

1931
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:51,920
you want to know what's going on because

1932
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,599
either you've had an experience

1933
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,520
and you want answers or you have a

1934
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,200
curiosity that you want

1935
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:00,000
to understand and um just do it yourself

1936
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,640
but uh

1937
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,480
the film for me it was those last

1938
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,480
moments man i won't give it away

1939
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:06,720
but like grier does this one thing and

1940
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:08,319
all of his movies that everyone makes

1941
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:09,520
fun of it for

1942
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:12,559
and he did not let down in that way in

1943
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:13,520
this one either

1944
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:16,559
and it kind of came off to me like um

1945
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,760
boo hoo no one's listening to me

1946
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:22,240
no one wants to uh think these aliens

1947
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:23,119
are like

1948
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,319
uh peace loving and um and

1949
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:28,319
who knows what they are some might want

1950
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:30,079
to kill us someone might want to

1951
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:32,799
invite us into the galactic federation

1952
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:35,920
but the film just came off so desperate

1953
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,680
um that's just my honest opinion but i

1954
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:39,359
don't know it's great and i watch it you

1955
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,839
agree

1956
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,359
and i think everyone should watch it

1957
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:42,960
this is what i say to people as much as

1958
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:44,000
you may not

1959
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:45,680
agree with somebody whether it's greer

1960
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:47,039
or anybody else

1961
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,880
if you watch everything to do with this

1962
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:50,559
subject it really broadens

1963
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:53,520
and helps you because it it it makes you

1964
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,880
either confirm that you're looking in

1965
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:55,839
the right place

1966
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:58,799
the other side or maybe it will make you

1967
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,119
look

1968
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,799
you know and think a bit harder but

1969
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:02,880
watch it you know what i think too vinny

1970
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,839
yeah i and i should make this clear like

1971
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:07,599
what if he's right

1972
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:10,319
wow what if what if here's right on

1973
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:11,119
everything

1974
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:13,839
yeah and there's nothing to say he's not

1975
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,480
i'm gonna

1976
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,720
eat my words if he if it turns out one

1977
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:18,559
day you know and i'll hold my hands up

1978
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:18,960
and go

1979
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:21,520
guys i'm so sorry yeah of course and i

1980
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,400
find myself

1981
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,880
you know passion tweeting and like

1982
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:27,039
shaming people for following the work of

1983
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,559
grier or things like that

1984
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:31,039
and i try to i try to temper that more

1985
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:32,000
nowadays because

1986
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:33,359
if there's anything i've learned in this

1987
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:36,400
field uh you're going to be wrong

1988
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:38,000
so much and you're going to change your

1989
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:39,599
mind and you have to be willing to do

1990
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,039
that

1991
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,400
look um watch the film whether you

1992
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:46,480
believe him or not it's like people with

1993
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,440
jeremy corbell

1994
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,039
they don't like the dude because of his

1995
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:51,039
personality but that doesn't mean what

1996
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:52,079
he's bringing forward

1997
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,119
isn't true or accurate so like just

1998
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:57,760
just watch it just listen to it just

1999
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:58,559
look into it

2000
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,760
um so again i i made fun of the steven

2001
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,280
grier thing before it even came out

2002
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,280
and i watched it and i still have the

2003
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:06,960
same feelings in many ways but some of

2004
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:07,839
it i'm like

2005
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:10,720
holy [\h__\h] what if he's right and that's

2006
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,400
that's even more terrifying

2007
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:14,160
but the comment i just had up who's like

2008
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:15,680
called out jacques valet

2009
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,839
but he called out pretty much everyone

2010
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:20,160
in you followed you almost by name as

2011
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:20,880
well

2012
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,880
but then i i see some lawsuits coming

2013
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:23,920
man i'm not gonna lie

2014
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,960
maybe yeah maybe i mean as well he used

2015
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:28,000
like imagery of alex

2016
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:30,319
dietrich he didn't name her directly but

2017
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:31,760
it was talking about something quite

2018
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,799
controversial

2019
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,880
her face flashes up i mean dude that's

2020
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,000
low blow man

2021
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,799
well he used a lot of ttsa footage too

2022
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,160
that was not credited

2023
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,799
so again that's where i'm like yo like i

2024
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:44,720
get you're dropping this on youtube for

2025
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:45,200
free

2026
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,400
and you're gonna make a [\h__\h] ton of

2027
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,559
money on your your app because it was at

2028
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:50,240
the bottom of the documentary the whole

2029
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,680
yes but um like

2030
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,319
did you in in maybe he probably did

2031
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,400
because he's working with daniel sheehan

2032
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,720
and i'm sure he has a group of attorneys

2033
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:01,760
but there's so much

2034
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,520
that thing where i'm like i see a

2035
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,200
lawsuit there i see a lawsuit there

2036
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,960
and maybe he's okay with that maybe he's

2037
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:08,880
like i don't care like i'm throwing

2038
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:10,000
caution to the wind

2039
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:12,400
i'm done like no one's looking at me

2040
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:13,280
here we go

2041
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,480
and yeah maybe a last stitch attempt to

2042
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:19,040
totally be irrelevant yeah i don't know

2043
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:19,679
man

2044
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,920
i think i'm completely on the same page

2045
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,120
as you but yeah

2046
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,960
we let's not go any further because we

2047
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,239
probably could dig

2048
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,040
and dig and i want to watch it again to

2049
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,480
be honest yeah i think that's the thing

2050
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,080
as well is you have to go back because

2051
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,640
you always find little things in these

2052
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:36,480
documentaries and stuff where you didn't

2053
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,239
notice it the first time and

2054
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,000
not not to say it would change your mind

2055
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:41,839
but it's just another point that you can

2056
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:44,000
think about or something like that but

2057
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,600
everybody watching go and see it if you

2058
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:47,279
haven't whether you like the guy or not

2059
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:50,000
it's worth watching to get an idea um

2060
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,759
and everyone that sees this video after

2061
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:53,759
the fact as well go and watch it and

2062
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,759
form your own opinions so exactly yeah

2063
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:59,199
well listen ryan i'm not going to keep

2064
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,640
you any longer i've kept you for an hour

2065
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:02,000
and ten minutes man

2066
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,679
let's do this again let's do this again

2067
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,839
in the future man it does absolutely

2068
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,799
that's the thing like

2069
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:09,279
um but then i'd rather not do two hours

2070
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,920
i'd rather

2071
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,440
another month goes down the line and we

2072
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,040
have a whole new thing to look at

2073
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,880
more to talk about fingers crossed it

2074
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:16,799
goes in a positive direction

2075
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:19,440
you know yeah absolutely yeah you've got

2076
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,799
a whole day ahead of you man it's like

2077
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:22,480
only the afternoon there as well so you

2078
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:23,040
know i can

2079
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,640
i could go and kick back and chill now

2080
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,319
because it's the evening but yeah i saw

2081
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:28,560
you drinking some what was that cabernet

2082
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:29,759
what what do you think it was it was a

2083
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,950
i am a bartender when i'm not doing the

2084
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:36,080
whole uh

2085
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:38,159
struggling playwright and ufo thing this

2086
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,520
is the thing i've become known for

2087
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:41,120
drinking red wine because whenever i go

2088
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,640
on instagram live i've always got a

2089
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,080
glass and whenever i do this i've always

2090
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:45,839
got a glass it's the evening here man my

2091
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,279
my daughter's in bed i've had a spa

2092
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:49,199
exactly stressful day with the kids

2093
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,960
you know i've been at press i've been at

2094
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,520
an inflatable blow up bouncy castle

2095
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:56,400
indoor park all day today jumping around

2096
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:58,159
with kids i need a glass of wine in the

2097
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,199
evening bro

2098
01:10:02,229 --> 01:10:01,280
you need some wine and some good ufo

2099
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,239
talk man no

2100
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,400
there we go awesome thank you this was

2101
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:06,000
an honor being here i really

2102
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:07,760
enjoyed it the honor's all mine man

2103
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,199
seriously um

2104
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,040
but listen let's stay in touch even

2105
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:12,960
behind the scenes and

2106
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:15,280
you know i've got other stuff working in

2107
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:16,000
the background

2108
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,280
man i may need your trained ear

2109
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,320
and all these things you know always

2110
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:24,320
i've seen this community grow so much in

2111
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,520
the past few years

2112
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:27,440
man and it's been the most invigorating

2113
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,560
thing because

2114
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,800
again like all of us in the cfo field

2115
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,640
i've been doing it since i was 13.

2116
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,560
and i've wanted to leave so many times

2117
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,920
even today like

2118
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,840
i i knew we were having this interview

2119
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,000
but i woke up this morning and i saw

2120
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:42,560
like 10 of my ufo books with like the

2121
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:43,679
saucer on the front

2122
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,480
and i just felt nauseous because i just

2123
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,000
watched the grier thing

2124
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,480
and i you know this is a part of my life

2125
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:51,840
every single day every

2126
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:55,280
weekend god bless like my family and my

2127
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,520
my partner for like understanding what i

2128
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,040
do yeah but um

2129
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,360
i was just like oh my god the last thing

2130
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:03,120
i want to do today is talk about ufos

2131
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,080
but the moment

2132
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:06,560
you and i connected like it just came

2133
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,199
back

2134
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:09,440
yeah man i feel invigorated as well man

2135
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,320
i do so

2136
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,920
thank you thank you for what you do

2137
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,159
thank you my pleasure the ufo twitter

2138
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,320
community like they've given me hope

2139
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,480
and i see the community growing every

2140
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,800
day and we desperately have needed that

2141
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:23,760
for decades now um it's becoming a much

2142
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,080
more

2143
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:27,120
diverse community and um and so many

2144
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:27,440
more

2145
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:30,080
voices and thoughts and theories and

2146
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,880
it's beautiful

2147
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,280
i think it gives me hope for the future

2148
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:35,280
like so much bad shit's been going on

2149
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,560
the past couple years

2150
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,960
but this ufo thing i really think is a

2151
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,560
unifier so um

2152
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,080
thank you for what you do and thank you

2153
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,320
to everyone who watches and

2154
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,480
supports both of us thank you hey no

2155
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:48,320
worries and thank you to everyone

2156
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,560
here in the chat um but yeah ryan i'll

2157
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,840
let you get on with your day man and

2158
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,679
then i can i can just say goodbye to the

2159
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:55,360
chat guys but listen let's speak soon

2160
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,920
brother

2161
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:57,920
thank you thanks for having me take care

2162
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:01,199
you too bye-bye bye-bye

2163
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:04,640
guys i enjoyed that

2164
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,320
i said to ryan beforehand let's just

2165
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,800
have a chat let's not go super serious

2166
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,080
it's going to be

2167
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:12,000
you know just as two dudes having a chat

2168
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:13,600
and i'm glad that you guys were here to

2169
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:14,719
watch it live you know

2170
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,080
sometimes we don't want to get into

2171
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:18,320
those deep conversations where it's

2172
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,800
super like you know intense and that but

2173
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:24,560
guys i can just thank you you know i can

2174
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,880
thank you all day but

2175
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,480
you know i've got stuff to do you've got

2176
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:29,920
stuff to do so um

2177
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,640
thank you so much as always i still feel

2178
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,480
like i'm new to this i'm still learning

2179
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:36,000
i'm still not super confident in what

2180
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,000
i'm doing but thank you anyway

2181
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:40,400
guys um and yeah i hope you all enjoy

2182
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,920
the rest of your day your evening

2183
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:43,280
morning wherever you are

2184
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,920
but until next time which is actually

2185
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,120
two days time i'm going to be

2186
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,199
interviewing rich hoffman from the scu

2187
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:52,000
the scientific coalition of uap studies

2188
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,440
that one might be a bit more intense

2189
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,880
because i've got to do some work well i

2190
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:56,320
have been doing some work but uh

2191
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:57,840
hopefully you can tune in in a couple of

2192
01:13:02,830 --> 01:12:58,640
days but uh